Spawn Raping ...

[Bass]

A comment that RB made about spawnraping makes me think it would be worthwhile discussing this a bit more ...

The context - we played late last night (small teams on large map) & our side had all the flags except their spawn point (untakeable), so we drove over to their base and started creating havoc there .. Myself, Bushmanlambada & XXX-SSS were there amongst others, so were hopping into buggies to "practice driving skills" :), putting C4 onto jets etc ..

That lasted for 5-10 mins before the round ended (I think..) during which the other side (that RB was on) capped some other flags again ...

After the match I said ciao, went to bed and saw the comments today ..

From the shoutbox..
[14 Hours Ago 02:47 AM] Bass_SA: Sorry RB !!! I felt bad knifing you in the grass at your spawn point ...
[14 Hours Ago 02:51 AM] Bass_SA: Ciao guys ...
[13 Hours Ago 04:07 AM] rburley: that was seriously embarrasing, not the knifin but u ppl raping you should of heard the comments coming out of my squad

OK .. so at this stage there is no rule about spawnraping & everyone has their own view on it, but what I want to find out is if we, as a clan, should have a "guideline" on spawnraping or some such thing ?? - I don't want our clan to get a reputation like asault, where everyone curses them constantly, especially if they are being owned by toxic etc...

Also not to put one of our own clan members in a difficult/embarrasing position .. :(

The answer might well be No.., but is worth getting some views on ..

So ... ???

[rainynight65]

OK *taking a deep breath*

There are many views on spawn raping, and most of them differ. While I am not particularly fond of it, I also don't completely disapprove of it. It depends on the situation.

If a team is pushed back into a position where all they have is an uncappable spawn point, it is their own fault in a way. They let themselves get into that situation. What is the other team to do? Stand back and let the losing team cap some flags for courtesy? I dunno, man, I mean I end up on such a team quite often, and I usually don't blame the other team, unless there is some blatant teamstacking happening - which has been very rare since the banning of four Asault members (or I have just never been around when it happened, you tell me...) Plus, as you said, Bass, the other team managed to cap some other flags, so it can't have been that bad...

It is a different issue if the only flagpoint left is cappable. Raping that point is unfair gameplay and, in my opinion, borders on stat padding, because the winning team could just take that flag and get it over with - instead the flag is being raped to increase the kills and stats. While there is no official rule about this, I think this kind of raping is widely disliked.

Also there are people out there who go out of their way to spawn rape certain points, e.g. chopper or armor spawn points. The fight may be somewhere else completely, but these people hang around at these points and take out anyone heading for those vehicles. It is one thing to go to the enemy base and steal their assets, it is a different thing to just hang around there and keep them from using it - also borders on stat padding.

Our clan commandments say we play fair and square - abstaining from the latter kinds of rape should be self-explanatory. I don't think we need a specific rule for that.

Personally, I don't see the danger of us getting a reputation like Asault. Firstly we don't rank very high up, secondly most people out there know our way of playing, and that we are in it for the fun more than anything else. The Asault rep is based on their way of securing a win - stack all people to one side, grab all armor, choppers and jets and go rape. We don't do that, at least not last time I checked. Also, we don't state on our website that we are 'at this time the best clan in ZA', and we don't put our critics to embarrassment in an 'Asshole of the week' section.

As for not putting a clan member into a difficult/embarassing situation - I think we are all mature enough to get over that, if it happens (reminds himself of Saints sneaky chopper knifing...:p ). When I play on a team, I would expect everyone on that team to do the best for the team, not spare clan members or pals on the other team just so you don't embarass them. That would also not be fair on your team. If you have to be afraid of fighting against your clanmates, then the issue is your clanmates and their maturity, not your gameplay.

That's just my view :D

[thisgeek]

What rainy said.

[w1z4rd]

ok like what happened? who raped who? I was playing and I seemed to have missed this all.

If you are attacking a point, and have your opponents pushed back around their flag. Frag away. Alls fair.

If you are a sniper sitting around watching a spawn point to get a better score. Well then, you need a rogering.

No one here needs to be told this. We're all kickass okes (otherwise we wouldnt be wg`s)

[NerdBoyZa]

I agree with comments made by everyone so far, and as distasteful as only having one uncappable flag left which has enemy choppers, jets, arty etc hovering around, there is noone, but your team to blame.

I have personally been on a side that had one last flag left, & the other team didn't take it, but instead sat there potting us as we spawned. No rule against it, but it leaves you wondering if you should just stop playing.

Same goes for people who cheat (I know it's not supposed to be possible to do it....but......). Different topic, but I really wonder sometimes if some of these people are not getting round the system somehow.

Depends on how badly you want to win I suppose.

[Brawler]

Well said rainy.

What was pissing me off was people waiting at the EXACT spawn points with choppers and tanks, I was dead before i could even see them. And I really didnt appreciate the whole " Hey RB get in the jet, we wont shoot you" - As soon as i took off i breathed a sigh of relief then, BOOM c4'd :(

BTW there were people raping at our base before half of the flags were captured just to set that straight.

Aniez i hav forgotten bout it so leav it.

WrG lost quite a few popularity points...

[rainynight65]

Well, it's not like we are that popular to start with. Not that much to lose there. Gotta set straight who did the raping and in which situation. I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. Maybe the people who were actually involved can fill in the blanks.

[Brawler]

Open spellchecker.exe
Spelling error detected!
Loose= when something is not tight, ie stoke has a screw loose.
Lose= when you have lost something

HHEHEHEHE:D

Are you kiddin, WrG is getting blady popular, how do you think all these new members heard about it. Aniez its over, los it

[sss]

i only said "hey take a jet" becuae i had put c4 on it about 4 minutes earlier and i was just waiting for someone to take the damn thing.... its the only person i actually killed while in the base

[Brawler]

what about flying around in the chopper?

[doobiwan]

I agree with Rainy, it really depends on the situation.

If it's the last uncappable flag, what else is the opposition supposed to do? I think members of this clan are in to for hte enjoyment, not the stats, but sometimes guys might get carried away a bit. It happens. Rugby captains bite peoples ears off. It happens. If you think a clannies misbehaving tell us and we'll lock them in their room for a time out . . .

[rainynight65]

Together with stoke? *duck*

[stoke]

Horee Klap ... stop picking on me alreadee.
This whole thing follows a decision hierarchy as follows:

Spawn Killing = Killing of a peep as he spawns - peep has .5 seconds to react before dying.
Spawn Raping = Doing this repeatedly.

This is a side affect of BF2's inability to spawn you at a safe location.

It it illegal ? No.
It it something a smaktard does ? Yes.
Why ? Cos it is unsportsmanly to kill somebody as they spawn, continuously.

What can the rapee do to prevent it happening again ? Spawn elsewhere.

What if this is the only available spawn point ? Then the rapee is screwed.
Now what ?
- rapee must stop spawning
- rapists must back off or capture the flag to end the game.

Nothing more to it. The victim must stop being a victim.

[Darnit696]

Yep -=SGS=- has tried to address the uncappable flag issue in their ROE (rules of engagement) I believe. I dont go past their forums much cause there are too many whining grannies there, so if its changed in the last two weeks odd well.... :bow: . Its always going to be a grey area, according to the ROE as I read it you are supposed to pull back and at least allow the other team to spawn and acquire their equipment thereby giving them opportunity to at least continue play. Camping two feet from a spawn point is obviously not sporting. The grey bit comes in with the "How close is too close?" question. That is always going to be debated and you will always get peeps that either get carried away by the moment or are just gathering those extra couple of points. I dont think that anyone who has played the game has not had one of those moments. So the real question can only be answered by the player. "What kind of player am I?" The answer will be seen by others though... so think about it.

Try putting yourself in the other guys shoes.

I was playing Gulf of Oman. The back MEC base is uncappable. The two jets, the heli and the tank spawn there (it was the 32 player map). Now certain players from the other side were damn good pilots. I've played with them before on the ground and they seemed like nice guys to play with. What they did, which could be construed as strategy was to bomb the crap out of that back base and they just seemed to get the timing right so everytime our planes (or the heli or the tank) spawned one of our guys would get in just in time to get blown to bits. It worked cause their team capped the other flags leaving us with just that flag. Now I know that strategy wise it was brilliant but it really ruined it for our team. Once the other flags were capped their choppers pitched up and the tanks... I left cause there was no point. And I'd say all because of two pilots. You cant really bitch about it cause there were other flags we could have spawned at but that flag had the toys that would have made the difference. Now there's the point, it would have been difficult to start debating the ROE in the game. They were not at the flag camping in the strictest sense cause they were in planes, but their behaviour ruined a good game. IMHO the best question you can ask yourself is "Are my actions ruining the game for someone else?" You have to be honest with yourself and no excuses "Everybody else was doing it" and "He did it to me" don't cut it. You dont want to define your gameplay based on the actions of some ass. :sharp:

[sss]

there are ROE now for this on the sgs forums!

[Gathu]

I am a bit confused. What is acceptable and what not? Why is it not acceptable for a spec-op to slip into an enemy flag and set up C4-ambushes on enemy vehicles?
The strategy in a lot of the maps is to keep the enemy deprived of vehicles and resources, and for them to defend or retake these points.
As long as I do not camp at a spawn point, I feel that I am free to roam around inside an enemy base causing havoc (although I usually just get killed anyway :)), and the enemy is free to hunt me down.
Right, wrong?
BTW, is there any do or don'ts guidelines available for the clan? Would hate to be locked in that room with anybody, except maybe one or two SA Sports Illustrated swimsuit models :D

[sss]

sorry.. i cant recall if i did steal you chopper... i can't remember too much after that

[sss]

i wonder what EA says about sgs depicting how and where i can kill the enemy!!! goodbye ranked server!

[fivel]

There is absolutely no way that any ROE or guidelines however well written can deal with the many complexities of the issue. RN, makes many very valid points and I agree that it depends on the situation...

BUT

Being part of this clan comes with some responsibility, (you didn't think that putting |WrG| in front of your name was the end of it did you :eek: )...so we only need a few players to not give a d@mn and we all will soon be 'that |WrG| clan, thay all behave like this or that'.

Be mindful of the way that you play on the servers....we have a great clan with lots of visibility and goodwill from the general BF2 comunity..let's not stuff it up ;)

[Darnit696]

Well said Fivel :sharp: . I put |WrG| in front of my name and I aint going to be associated with asses. If I wanted that I would have joined some other clan. ;)

Anyhow generally speaking it aint happened yet so lets keep it fun. This clan can be GREAT. :slide:

[WAJKILLER2]

As far as killing is concerned " ITS ALL OUT WAR" kill or be killed. Gulf of Oman is a excellent example, it always happens especially if your team is up to crap, you end up on the ship and have the jets and copter pound you to peaces , and the occasional apc coming in for a tiff.

Solution, stop bitching about it, I’ve shot down several of those jets with a AT rocket, there are two anti air units there, and tons of guys to pitch in.

Question is, is is sportsman like and well lets say ,playing fair to rape like that, NO, it is however the nature of the game, ALL OUT WAR.

Me personally swear at them pesky asshole pilots non stop, I curse their mothers uncles aunts sisters, try to tell them i am going to bonk their wife’s and sisters and the list goes on the screen end up wanting to run away from being language raped. Only way to get out of it is play smart.

Just last night i got raped like that twice in a row, so what did we do. dish it out right back at them, the result, them idiots left with no toys for quite some time.

I think that blatant unsportsmanlike like spawn raping is bullshit. These guys should be banned, but how police it, you cant to many rules. We don’t want it to become like rugby where the rule book looks like a dictionary. I think it is up to the individual and the clans, especially to set their own moral standard in the killing game of ALL OUT WAR.

Love the game would hate to see it get spoiled by idiots.

As far as this clan is concerned, I am proud to be a member and from the feedback from other clans and freelancers we have a good reputation and especially for playing fair and to be fun to play against and with, even one of the admins played with me and he digs our clan.

I would say stuff the spawn rapes, I will not engage in any un sportworhty actions!!!, apart from the permanent killing.

[thisgeek]

I agree with Fivel and Darnit.

I've got the clan tag tattooed (errr) on my nick ;) It's not something that I can get rid of at any time without kissing my stats (and unlocks) goodbye.

The primary clan commandments is: Don't be a smacktard.

So if you're raping an uncappable base en-masse, preventing people getting to their vehicles, and killing them as they spawn etc, that's not cool.

It's a different story when it's a cappable base, and you're trying to cap the flag. Like Shonghua the other night. I was trying to cap a Chinese flag, and Gathu kept spawning in exactly the same spot, which was right in front of where I was lying while capping the flag. I ended up killing him 3 or 4 times in a row.

Although you must remember there is a time and place to base rape. Public servers are NOT the place. Clan games are: http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=256;t=36835

[Gathu]

Yeah, but you did give me a chance everytime. I spawned, did not see you, ran around the corner and got knifed in the back 2 times. Was almost disappointed when you just shot me the third time. After that I graciously decided to let you have the flag. :D
The bottomline is you had fun capturing a flag with a knife in your hand (Favourite position?:)), and I had , albeit shortlived, fun thinking about killing a fellow wargeek. If it is not fun anymore, don't do it.

[thisgeek]

Heh, well if I hadn't capture the flag, the next time you spawned you woulda be splattered by a pack of C4 ;)

[doobiwan]

It's very difficult to get players to play in a gentlemanly fashion. Long term I think the solution is for EA to make spawning more random and make vehicles locked and indestructible until a teamie takes it. - doesn't stop you booby trapping it - gives spec ops a bit more to do.

[w1z4rd]

(Im to lazy to spell check)


What was pissing me off was people waiting at the EXACT spawn points with choppers and tanks, I was dead before i could even see them. And I really didnt appreciate the whole " Hey RB get in the jet, we wont shoot you" - As soon as i took off i breathed a sigh of relief then, BOOM c4'd

I laughed for about 10 min after this. Firstly this is a game. 2ndly, we had nothing else to do. You were pushed back to a point that we could not take. We were bored.

I have this mental image of real warfare:

[seargent] Sir!, we have them pushed back into their base!
[general] No!, Do not attack! We want to give them time to reorganise so that we might loose!

Common, you got fairly pwned, and the C4 was kak funny. (actually took some organisation to get right) And no, I wont not do it again, cause there was nothing wrong with it. You got faily pushed backed and owned, and then cry like a girl cause its just "not fun"

I dont know how many times Ive been thrashed to an oblivion, to the point where I spawn and die (in my case...18 times in a row). Instead of whining about how unfair it was, I kept trying to fight back, to the point that even if I got one shot off with the AT, I felt I was doing something constructive to the fight.

I will not leave a flag up for spawn raping. I dont specificly sit at spawn points (actually, I only know where a handful of them are). If people are going to complain about what happened, they seriously need to get out a little more and compete in real life competitions. People need to learn to take a beating with some grace. The term sore looser comes to mine pretty quickly, and that shows disturbing character traits.

[hockey player] Sir, I can score a goal now!
[captain] no!!! dont, wait for their goelie to come back!

I think what a lot of people here forget is its a game (sure the greatest game ever written...but its still a game).... been in a clan for me has nothing to do with competitiveness or winning, but everything to do with comradreship. Mayb Im getting old or something (not as old as some of you!!!) hehe.

Well thats my 2 cents and how I see it.

[stoke]

I'm in the W1z4rd frame of mind.
If you really want to piss off a spawn raper ... stop spawning.

Complaints about it's taking the fun out of game are unjustified, Wiz4rd was obviously having a ball :p.

[Darnit696]

Hmmm I can't say I agree with you W1z4rd. For the sake of debate I'll say this.


I have this mental image of real warfare:

[seargent] Sir!, we have them pushed back into their base!
[general] No!, Do not attack! We want to give them time to reorganise so that we might loose!

This isnt real... its a game as you pointed out. There are aspects of the game that require players to behave in a gentlemanly manner. Real planes cannot swoop across the deck of their carrier and rearm on the fly. Injured comrades cannot be healed at the click of a button nor can dead ones be brought back to instantaneously good health. Because of this we have to have rules to govern play.

There was a period in our sordid history where even real war had rules too. Hostilities would cease at the end of the day and as the sun set each side would have the opportunity to fetch its wounded and dead and remove them from the battlefield. Later it was recognised by warring sides that they would not shoot at each others stretcher bearers as they carried wounded away from battle. There are plenty of other examples.


If people are going to complain about what happened, they seriously need to get out a little more and compete in real life competitions. People need to learn to take a beating with some grace. The term sore looser comes to mine pretty quickly, and that shows disturbing character traits.

[hockey player] Sir, I can score a goal now!
[captain] no!!! dont, wait for their goelie to come back!


I would'nt start name calling if I were you. Everyone is entitled to their feelings, if you don't mind being spawn raped then thats up to you. I could use another sport as an example ... boxing comes to mind... When your opponent get knocked down you have to stand back and wait the count so that he can get up and what??? Maybe beat you and win??? Yes and those are the rules. The rules that stop us from descending down the toilet that ungoverned human behaviour unfortunately is.

If you were in the boxing ring would you pound your opponent while he was down? I hope not.

If you were down and your opponent pounded you while you tried to get up and then laughed at your predicament how would you feel?

Based on that comparison there are a couple of things that you could be called too. But thats not how we want to work.

Its one thing to be beaten fairly, that part of what you are saying I don't have a problem with. Where I do have a problem is that you seem to expect guys to be spawn raped, you call it a beating and then expect the victim to take it like a man. The image of a bunch of street thugs kicking the shit out of some poor bastid lying on the ground comes to mind. Never mind gaming but society has a problem with that kind of thing.

I hope I got you wrong on this one, I did'nt judge you to be that type of person when you joined up. If you are then you are in the wrong clan pilgrim, maybe I'm out of line saying that if so then :bow:

We are here to have fun in BF2 and that means everybody having fun.

Granted you will get the odd bloke shouting 'Spawnrape' at the drop of a hat when there are different spawnpoints to spawn at, but I dont think that this was the scenario here. The picture I get is one uncappable point and you guys all over it making sure no-one got away. If that was the case sign me up for the chorus in the whining league cause it sucks. Really sad :( Maybe I need to lighten up but reading this makes it difficult. Eish

[BambisRevenge]

YA WHAT HE SAID

i agree with darnit

maybe we should close this thread coz its gonna cause some hostilities in our clan just a thought....

[w1z4rd]

I was genralizing. I think people who whine a lot are jerks, doesnt mean I am calling you a jerk. (and no, i dont think anyone here is a jerk)

anyways. Game Over for me. Ciao

[BambisRevenge]

I still think we should close this thread....

[Darnit696]

I was genralizing. I think people who whine a lot are jerks, doesnt mean I am calling you a jerk. (and no, i dont think anyone here is a jerk)

anyways. Game Over for me. Ciao
Yep there are, I personally have been accused of spawn raping by some raving idiot because I shot him three times while capping the flag. Fortunately I got the flag and there was therefore no debate.

[Darnit696]

I still think we should close this thread....
Some things have to be addressed, you can't always just lock the lid down on some stuff because it does'nt make it go away. Sometimes its worse not to allow peeps to express their opinions. Obviously if a thread degenerates into a flame war and peeps are doing some serious name callling and refering to each others grannies then sure shut it down. :D But healthy debate about contentious issues has to happen. :)

[rainynight65]

This is not the SGS forum, where admins close threads randomly just because some disagreement is going on and getting slightly personal. We are men here :D

[Darnit696]

@Rainy LOL :D

[thisgeek]

Seems there has been some interesting debate while I was snoozing in my chair.
I agree with Darnit. There are definitely times and places for spawn raping, like I said earlier. A public game is NOT the place. Can't tell you how many times I've quit a game in disgust because of being spawn raped. It's just not fun.

If it's a clan game, it's a different story, because it's supposed to be intense competition.

Public server is supposed to be fun.

[Ruslan74]

yikes... one day off working at some remote site and a 4 page thread pops out... having threaded through most of the valid and at times funny points i have to agree with a few posts that spawn raping cant be controlled.

wont mention any examples but as TG said it aint fun, so the only solution which i used to do was to quit that server and join another one.

while BF2 gets loaded go chill with a leak or a soda, then breathe and say to yourself... its only a game... ;)

pronto? can i close the thread now? please? pretty please? :D

[rainynight65]

Keep your dirty fingers off the thread tools! ;)

[{lostmarble}]

And as for this thread becoming a flame war....

My granny can beat up any other granny u guys/girl can throw at her, so dont start.

:cuckoo: <<<< ye think?

[stoke]

/me slaps lost wif me smelly feesh ... :p

According to SGS rules, spawnraping is not allowed on a public server, therefore, we as a clan must uphold those rules when we play on public servers.

[ ref:http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=240;t=36036 ]

Insofar as clan matches go ... well ... lets see what happens at practise when sss has the rest of us pinned down ...

[NerdBoyZa]

Offtopic: Are we having a Clan Practice, or a Clan Match on Thursday?

I don't know if I'd agree with Spawn Raping if it's a "Clan Match". What's the diffs, it's still a game (the same game).

If you're going to allow it sometimes, whos to decide when sometimes is okay, and when other times it's not?

[sss]

its just a clan get together

[thisgeek]

Just practise. Shoots us some clannies.

[rainynight65]

OK, here's what I think: apparently the SGS ROE still state that spawn raping in public games is not allowed, although there was a poll to remove the rule, and it had a majority in favour of doing so. But if the ROE state that, then it's self-explanatory that as a clan we stick to that rule. Do we need our own rule then?

[thisgeek]

It would probably be best if we had an official stance, since it gets up people's noses.

At least if we stated our stance, then everybody would be on the same page.

[Darnit696]

Agreed
:sharp:

[WAJKILLER2]

TG with you on that one, got spawn raoed last night, died 28 times in a row, got a kill off in between but still. I did dish it out right back at them. Did not spawn rape though, just made sure those darn choppers cant come back and give it to me again!!

Suffice to say, i left the game end went to the urban server in a real foul mood.

[sss]

please stop that... you're making the runway all gooey with my intestines mashed all over the place

[doobiwan]

Lol.

Until EA does something in game, I think the answer is to spread the word to leave the game.

If The entire opposition team up and leaves the game, the rapers will suddenly find themselves switched to be raped.

There's enough servers to do it.

[WAJKILLER2]

I think there arnt just pieces of me on the runway, i became part of the entire runway.

[Albereth]

Back in the day...

Rugby matches used to be just that - a match. Before the rules were changed to allow many substitutions if a player went off the field for an injury the other side would also take a player off. The whole point being to keep it a match meaning an equal contest, not a game.

What has this to do with point raping? Not as much as it has to do with people in helicopters. I have played in quite a few games where one side has owned the choppers - whether through stealing them or just having the only pilots capable of driving them. The message here should be - okay you own the world now get out the helo and join the fight on foot.

On the single uncapturable flag. There should be an option where the commander can surrender. He calls a vote and if more than half his team agree then he can surrender. And we can all start the next game sooner.

I have drilled a couple of players as they have popped into existence but I have never made it a deliberate point to sit in the loading bay of a carrier with an APC while the rest of my teamies bomb or arty the deck.

[Bass]

Whew - quite a bit of good debate here ... which is what I was expecting :)

OK - firstly: I have already apologised to RB, but want to extend that to the guys on his side if they thought I/we were being smacktards. At the end of the day I want it to be fun for all (even the guys losing) which is why I often make comments about getting the teams balanced (and will swap sides if possible to try & balance things out) - if one side is constantly being slaughtered by the other, round after round, then it gets a bit boring...

Secondly: I personally think it is part of the game, so I won't leave because I'm being spawn-raped. Instead I will generally still try to get away to another flag, and hope that in the next round things will even out a bit. I've often played on a side where we manage to turn things around, and then ... ahhh ... sweetness :D

The converse might well be to simply leave the server as quite a few guys have said - in that way discourage spawn rapers ...


I don't generally get to the other sides' spawn point, but every now & then will go on a sabotage mission & get to run/drive around furiously at their point before being taken out ... I often see armour at our flag point if our side is losing badly, and then just keep spawning as AT to try & take it out before dying ... so what if that guy kills me 5 times before I eventually take him out ? Taking him out is just more satisfying eventually :)

OK - enough for now - I have typed & retyped this over a few hours in between work - to the point where I cannot think clearly anymore !! :eek:

[Brawler]

And as for this thread becoming a flame war....


this thred was never a flame war, more like a flame rape :) as one side didnt retaliate

[stoke]

/me holds up boxing gloves and shouts : Slummie woes :p!

[w1z4rd]

Im from slummies. No comment. Charlize was from Benoni, I feel better now.

Message I sent to darnit about the spawn "raping" effect:


you had to kinda be there to understand, it wasnt like it was intentional, we pushed them back to their base. drove into their base. i drove onto the airstrip with an APC, someone shot at me at AT, so i shot him back... brawler spawned in front of me, my APC was damaged, so i shot him. XXX got bored so planted c4 on fighter plane, i shot other plane, i got shot, spawned on squad leader. (this is all still on the runway) .got bored. we let brawler get into c4 infected plane, and pop. game ended like a min later. we were in their base for less than 4 min.

I dont know where exact spawn points are, but when someone pops up in front of me, i am ganna shoot him, thats about it. There were less than 20 people in the game, so finding someone to shoot was hard towards the end. We did not sit around spawn points waiting for someone to spawn (well i didnt), the game was nearly over, and I think everyone wanted some last minute points.

I was "drunk" at the time so may have got some things mixed up, but basicaly from my side, thats what happened. end.

[Darnit696]

Yep did get that PM. Verified. end.

:D

[Punky3025]

This whole discussion on spawn raping has reminded be of the origin on the word F.U.C.K. Fornicatoin Under Conscent of the King.(NO I AM NOT USING BAD LANGUAGE) This was a practise used by the British Military to discourage locals from supporting their Militia when Britain was taking over their countries. If you co operated with the Brits your women never got raped. If you didnt well then a F.U.C.K order was signed and anything that moved got raped. Now that you have all learned something. Unless the council signs a SUCC order (Spawn rape Under Conscent of the Council). DONT DO IT.

History 101 :)

[sss]

i have to spawn rape.. its the only way i can steal their chopper indefnintely

[doobiwan]

Punky, funny how many times I've heard that under different Monarchies . . .

[SosmanSA]

mmm.... I bet most of us will def not pass up opportunity to spawn rape if.....


pciture this... sicily, 1943 and toxic, demo and 5ID have one flag left and keep spawning to catch mouthful of fresh tank shell ..... and it's |WrG|'s lining them up.... who in their right mind will pass up this chance???
;)

In battle...real battle... their is no mercy...however
ROE of SGS says no spawn raping... I can respect that.
Most noobs will hate us and clan will not grow... I can follow this
most of SGS community voted to allow spawn raping ... reality

best suggestion on here was all leave, game ends and move to new server to stop raping... been on receiving end and eventually it's not fun at all.

[Bass]

Great - thanks for all the comments guys - TG has updated the Clan Rules and guidelines, so have a look there if you haven't already :)

[stoke]

Update:
From : http://games.saix.net/cgi-bin/sgsbb/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=240;t=38487

Spawn Raping
As of now, the “Spawn Raping” rule will no longer apply. Any issues around this will be dealt with on its own merit. Please do not come crying to me like a baby “because so and so spawned raped me”. We cannot enforce a rule against spawn raping. We have tried it and found it to be unmanageable. As a result of this and unfortunate “selective” admining, SGS will no longer bear the brunt of the pro rule and anti rule camps. This is the way the game was made, and it’s up to you to learn and master skills in evading the situation.

I.E. Spawn Raping is allowed on SGS public servers.
NOTE : When we play Clan Games - the rules may be different.

[SaintMg]

NOTE : When we play Clan Games - the rules may be different.

:confused: :hurl: meaning if there is an SGS admin in the clan you are playing then you may not spawn rape but be preper wif your :lube: cause it a they may you may not situation :rofl: